The Atheist Concession
Through out my writings regarding atheism, I’ve always tried to adapt a non-confrontational and more or less academic tone (at least to the best of my ability) when it comes to verbalizing my thoughts and ideas. One thing that I’ve said is that I somehow envy (term used loosely) christians or other people who believe in their respective gods and religions because through that ability to put trust on something that has no tangible existence, they are able to live their lives as if somebody else is making sure that things will go their way. There’s something very appealing with the idea that somebody up there is watching over your - and heck, everyone else’s — move in your day-to-day existence.
Now when I say I envy that type of mindset, I have to make it precisely clear that I’m not insinuating that I aspire to be like the typical god-believing church-goer who praises the lord for everything good that happens in his life. I would like to think that people’s minds are somehow wired in different ways. Everyone has diffferent value systems, paradigms and ethical concepts that they choose to use in their daily lives. Most people start with the same things, it’s just how one’s mind processes the information that create the subtle and glaring variations in our life goals and credo.
When I was growing up, I was exposed to more books than most kids. I was a geek in my early years - I read the encyclopedia like an actual book (from start to finish) during my spare time. Geography was my first love when I was five years old and not soon after, I was dabbling into the basics of astronomy. Those information that were infused to my memory at an early age kept the many christian concepts from concretizing in my head. The concept of heaven which is still seen by a lot of people as something very literal is taught early on in life. That belief is driven by a hard-wired memory that just dictates that the smog-filled atmosphere is the real paradise on earth and is the residence of god. Though a lot of christians are now smart and sophisticated enough to know that there’s nothing up their but vapor and dust particles, a majority of god-believing folk would still look up into the heavens when looking for a “sign” or praying.
Of course, to me, that was ridiculous. At a very young age, I was witness to how christianity has romanticized nature and meteorology to tailor-fit their religion. You can’t really blame the forefathers of the religion because it was a huge business to make believers of everyone back then. It was their job to sell their product and make people believe that what they were saying was true. Judging from the millions that they converted back then, to the strong billion that they have now, they’ve definitely done their job well. I don’t agree with what they did, but from a sales and marketing standpoint, it was an A-plus effort.
I tried to be logical about it a few years back. I knew back then I was atheist and my set of paradigms just wouldn’t allow a believing in a god even if I wanted to. Being the stubborn minor that I was, I tried doing it knowing that I was just fooling myself. I can’t believe in something that doesn’t even have a tangible existence. All manifestations that followers use to justify the existence of a god are mere conjectures and circumstances that don’t really prove anything. But to the willing believer, it’s enough of a proof. I won’t even contest if people believe it too easily without much critical thinking. We have different levels of scrutiny that we employ to choose the ideas that we believe in. Not to sound condescending, but in this particular topic (and this topic alone), I think atheists indeed ask a lot more questions and seek to find more answers as opposed to the average believer who just accepts what he is told and what he was taught. To be clear, I am not saying that Atheists have intellectual superiority over believers - all I’m saying is that Ahteists tend to be more critical regarding THAT singular issue.
At the end of the day, I think it’s clear that Atheism is something that most people don’t understand. People have pre-formed thoughts, prejudice and bias against Atheists and it’s something that Atheists live with everyday. That is why this blog exists - to educate people that Atheism is just like any other factor that is uncontrollable and most atheists are level-headed enough to tolerate people of other religions. Atheists will never become christians, the same way that christians will never become atheist. If they do, then their initial alignment with that philosophy was definitely misguided or done for the wrong reasons - hence, they were never christian or Atheist to begin with.
If you believe in god. Be happy. At least you don’t ask the questions that squeeze the neurons dry in Atheists’ brains.
Peace.
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random question about your view on Christianity: benj, how do you regard Christianity, is it against science or is it conforming with science?
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Usually I don’t hijack blogs but I just posted an entry in mine and your “When I was growing up part” reminded me of it… only I am not the one for words
@aajao - I came from a catholic high school, and one teacher actually told me that the creation story, the parting of the red sea, the multiplication of loaves among others, didn’t actually happen. They are just there to show you how “powerful” god is. So I screwed my brain thinking of how ironic that is. She said that the creation story is there to tell you why god created the earth, but not precisely how.
Vatican II has been trying to catch up on the mistakes they have dealt regarding science
Their messengers are surprisingly ill-equipped.
As a side note, I think religion still exists because it’s a bad habit, and you know the bad ones die hard. Haha.
I had to search BasangPanaginip’s site, but your post reminds me so much of his past entry. The inverse relationship of religion and intelligence part. LOL. I’m bad. And evil. LOL.
Nice piece, I’d have to say. You’ve articulated almost all my thoughts regarding the matter, although I don’t consider myself as an atheist.
I believed in the Christian God because it’s what my family instilled in my head. The threats certainly helped me be convinced that there’s a god. But hey, we don’t all grow up sporting the same belief all through out diba. There’s bound to be a phase wherein you’d question everything you’ve believed in. That phase came when I was in grade 2.
I’m not completely closing my mind and heart to the existence of someone up there (but I just can’t force myself to believe in most things they preach, puh-leese. sabi ko nga, ang daming atrocities, hypocrisies.), but for now, I’m perfectly fine with the way I live my life without a god.
Don’t worry, I certainly don’t think you’re promoting a “dangerous belief”.
The concept of having a god fits most people’s (read: especially Filipinos) personality and needs. And as I’ve mentioned before in numerous sites, it’s just that some people fail to know or recognize the stark difference between being religious and being spiritual. Some people just can’t accept na fruit salad ang mundo.
You’re free to talk about atheism, and the others are free to talk about their own religions. We should all just live and let live.
i am a catholic, through and through, and i firmly believe in the doctrines of my church, and practice them. but that doesn’t mean, benj, that i will stop visiting your site. i will respect you for your beliefs (or nor beliefs) in the way that you respect mine
@ mai “the creation story, the parting of the red sea, the multiplication of loaves among others, didn’t actually happen. They are just there to show you how “powerful†god is.”
wtf? she told you that? wow. if i was a Catholic and i was told by a Catholic teacher those statement, i would probably lose my belief in a God too— it makes the God of Christians nothing more than a story teller.
I respect your belief guys but I think to much questions and logical with what sorround us will make our life complicated.Life is short bro’s.There is no problem if we believed in things that we never see w/ our own eyes.Its a matter of faith and conviction.Look at the things arround you.Are they exist on their own?Or someone create them?Or is it a magic?Sometimes there are things bro’s that human being’s mind need not to uncover to believe.Its a waiste of time.Live our life to the fullest atheists!!!There is big difference if we believe to unseen things than to scrutinize everything.What if the bible says is true?you’re lost people.And what if you’re correct with what you believe?we christian are not lost like yours because youre belief has no consequences like we believe.THINK ABOUT IT …
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I went to a Catholic school, but my family wasn’t overly religious. We tried to go to mass every so often, so mostly I associated church-going with time spent with my parents whom I only really saw on weekends.
After highschool I went to UP. And boy. Do they have a case against organised religion over there. I was never big on dogma, but learning about the church’s abuses, the church’s politics, Christianity’s totalising, abusive history, plus hearing all these stories about priests really delivered the message home for me.
I haven’t gone to mass (of my own volition) in a loooong time. Mainly because each time I set foot in a church I only see hypocrisy and no amount of comfort. I haven’t prayed in a long time either. But do I believe in ‘god’ as conceptualised in Christian tradition? Probably not.
To me, religion, and God is functional. Morality is functional. Spirituality is functional. If it works to keep people sane and anchored when all else is turning into shit, then God is good.
Do I believe in the cosmos? In some sort of logic to the universe? Then yes. The cosmos has a twisted sense of humour at times. The cosmos occasionally nudges me from stupor with these unbelievable mind-fucks. I try to look for rational explanations, but there are usually none.
Do you at least believe in…something? Some otherworldly realm that can’t be explained by human rationality?
Sparks, do I believe in something that is not defined by rationality? I don’t think I do. And I wouldn’t be able to do believe in it, even if I wanted to.
So, the cosmos hasn’t fucked with you then? Or you’ve always found an explanation for everything? Wow. But do you believe in people?
Do you practice other…less constrictive, more open forms of spirituality? Buddhism? Daoism? Animism? C’mon. There’s gotta be something. Don’t you think our brains are pre-programmed for that sort of thing?
Sorry for the late responses. Hiya na ko senyo. hehe
aajao: Religion exists on a plane of esoteric nature. It’s a bit devious in a way that it’s phrased so vaguely that it could easily morph things to suit its allusions and metaphors. I think the good old Mister Ratzinger has already come out on record that the Eden story was a myth.
Sparks: Hi! Thanks for visiting again. There are things that I don’t know the answer to but it doesn’t make me feel that I should resort to esoteric means to answer them. I’d rather stick to the logical and empirical method because it’s the only thing that works for me.
Your second question is very interesting. I think a lot of people are pre-programmed to believe in religion due to the uncertainties of life (and the afterlife). As for other forms of spirituality I subscribe to, I would have to say that I don’t practice anything.
If you’re asking about my value system, I do believe in justice, charity, courtesy and tolerance. Those attributes are featured heavily in some religions, so if that’s a good enough affiliation to a religious movement, I guess that’s how a religion has influenced me despite my atheist leanings.
I wasn’t asking about your value system. Most smart people are usually not unnecessarily cruel or unkind. They are also usually more tolerant.
In any case, let me see if I get this correctly, if you’re an atheist, then you’ve no recourse to spirituality at all? And everything is determined by the material?
Are you deeply rooted in German philosophy? Because you know what they say about all knowledge being ‘contested’ and ‘produced.’ So, if you’re basing your beliefs in Western philosophy, which hints that God (or the cosmos or whatever) does not exist, then, if the postmodernists are to be believed, the foundations of your ‘beliefs’ may or may not be true.
Which means, there could be a god. Because not everything is knowable by human rationality. Nothing can be knowable at all.
Sorry sparks. You mean well, right? I would like to think that you do and you are just taking an interest in my philosophy.
The biggest knock against my philosophy is my non-willingness to actually read works of other atheists. I would rather resort to organically develop my own ideas based on the empirical evidence that I have collated throughout the years. That being said, I am deeply-rooted in German Philosophy.
The possibility of having a god doesn’t make it a fact - nor does is it qualify for being a plausible theory. Yes, that explanation would make things a lot simpler, but I think that’s the easy way out. The impetus to believe isn’t there.
I like German philosophers too. Marx would be my favourite, just because he spawned so many interesting intellectual traditions (Latino dependency, world-systems, Russian and Chinese hardcore commie stuff, all them posts- poststructural, postcolonial, postmodern, critical)
I’m just curious where atheists are coming from. Because you’re basing your lack of religious beliefs on a bunch of dead white European males (Germans in particular). Don’t you think its a bit limiting given that there are many more philosophies and spiritual traditions out there? Don’t you think that the concept of ‘rationality’ in Western thought is a bit Eurocentric (i.e. specific to the European socio-cultural context)?
Try reading post- stuff. They turn ‘rationality’ literally on its head. That is, if you’re open.
Thank you for your invitation sparks, will do.
Sparks, I just read up on Post-Modernism and I find it very… lazy? It’s like a wholesale rebuttal on everything. Funny and interesting, but hardly applicable. I dunno.
Which one did you read? I suggest starting with…hmm…the Frenchies: Foucault, Lyotard, Derrida. A contemporary writer that I love (and who writes blissfully) is David Harvey (Condition of Postmodernity). Stay away from literary ‘postmodernists,’ like Baudrillard after he sold out (i.e. completely abandoned Marxian analytics).
Anyway, the whole idea is that there is no Subject separate from a knowable Object - the object being ‘reality’ or ‘truth.’ Because everything, even knowledge, is context and history specific. Knowledge is constructed. I guess the posts are wary of ‘metanarratives.’
So if ‘rationality’ as conceived by Western philosophy is, in effect, constructed and framed through Western experiences, values, histories, they cannot claim that it is ‘objective’ or ‘universal.’
It just feels that it exists to overturn rationality. It seems like a last ditch effort to establish a new school of thought when all the good ones have been taken. Solution? Rebut everything. I dunno. haha
I’ll try to read up more. Thanks sparks.